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Mulroney deal wasn't Airbus kickback, says Schreiber
Last Updated: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 | 12:06 PM ET
CBC News
Karlheinz Schreiber told a federal committee Tuesday he didn't discuss
money with former prime minister Brian Mulroney during a private 1993
meeting when he was still in office, but that the two made an oral
agreement to work together when Mulroney returned to private life.
"We made an agreement in principle to work together. We did not speak
about money," said Schreiber, who testified before the House of
Commons ethics committee Tuesday, his second appearance.
Schreiber said $300,000 in cash he paid Mulroney wasn't a kickback
from Air Canada's $1.8-billion purchase of jets from Airbus, but
involved a light- armoured vehicle plant known as the Bear Head
project.
"I received great laughs when this story came up that Brian Mulroney
was involved with Airbus," he said. "Somebody told me that Air Canada
is Liberal property. If Mulroney had shown up five miles away from Air
Canada, they would have done the opposite from everything he wanted."
Schreiber said Mulroney believed his successor, Kim Campbell, would be
re-elected with a majority government, putting him in a "comfy
position" to work with Schreiber when he returned to his legal
practice in Montreal.
"And then I said, 'I will let you know what is available. I have funds
available for the Bear Head project which is still there and I will
let you know.' So it was a principle agreement that we work together,
but at that day, we did not speak about money," said Schreiber.
Schreiber later checked the Swiss bank account and found $500,000 left
over. Last week, Schreiber said Mulroney received only $300,000 of
that money because he didn't fulfil his end of the agreeement.
One of the key questions of the whole affair that has never been
answered is what services Mulroney provided in exchange for the
money.
Meeting date dispute
Schreiber insisted the meeting took place at the Harrington Lake prime
ministerial residence on June 23, 1993, while Mulroney was still in
office. Schreiber said Mulroney adviser Fred Doucet arranged the
meeting because the former prime minister was in financial trouble.
However, Conservative MP David Tilson said that in earlier court
documents and a book on the Airbus affair, Schreiber said any deals
made with Mulroney occurred after Mulroney left office.
Opposition MPs questioned whether it was ethical for Mulroney to
accept a cash payment from Schreiber -- who lobbied the government on
behalf of German business interests -- while he was still an MP. That
first $100,000 payment was made in August 1993 at a Montreal hotel.
Schreiber later heatedly called Mulroney a "liar" for failing to move
ahead with the armoured tank project
Conservative MPs said Schreiber's testimony shows nothing more than a
failed business relationship between two private individuals.
"If that is the case, it is clearly not an issue for this committee,"
said MP Russ Hiebert.
Charest donation alleged
Schreiber, who is facing extradition to Germany to face fraud and
other charges, handed over a thick binder that he said contains all
his correspondence with Mulroney.
"This is my entire correspondence with Mr. Mulroney," Schreiber said.
"I wanted this to come out, and this is why someone wanted to kidnap
me and kick me out.
"Don't tell me I'm not co-operative with the Canadian government."
Schreiber pulled another prominent politician into the mix during his
testimony, alleging he donated $30,000 in cash to Jean Charest's bid
for the Tory leadership in 1993. He said he liked the idea of a fresh,
new face leading the party.
Charest, now Quebec's premier, said he was surprised to learn of the
donation, didn't have any dealings with Schreiber and isn't pleased to
be dragged into the events of the day.
Holds up Harper binder
Schreiber also held up a second binder he said was his correspondence
with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and a thick, bound document,
saying it contained his responses to all of the questions posed by MPs
during his appearance at the committee last week.
He said he wrote to the Prime Minister's Office at least twice
recommending he call an inquiry into the Airbus affair, saying in one
letter that Harper's "political enemies" were undermining his efforts
to clean up government. Schreiber said he received a letter from the
PMO in early 2007 saying the office had forwarded the documents to the
Justice Department.
Opposition politicans have been trying to link the current
Conservative government to Schreiber. Last month, Harper called a full
public inquiry into the Airbus allegations.
Schreiber's highly anticipated appearance came a day after he told CBC
News his testimony will be "like Christmas" for its members.
"I'm not sure if this is a Christmas gift or a burden. For sure, it
will help you for the right and special questions," he said during his
opening statement. "This is a basis. If you are not satisfied, just
let me know and I'm going to dig for it and hopefully I can find it."
Committee members adjourned the meeting to review the binders of
documents and called on Schreiber to return for a third appearance, on
Thursday.
Schreiber was allowed to return to his Ottawa home Tuesday after the
Ontario Court of Appeal agreed to release him on bail of $1.3 million.
Committee probes deal
The ethics committee is also reviewing Mulroney's $2.1-million
settlement from the federal government in 1997 over his libel suit
regarding the so-called Airbus affair -- in which millions of dollars
in secret commissions were allegedly paid in the sale of jets to Air
Canada.
Last week, during his first appearance before the committee, Schreiber
offered some details about his relationship with Mulroney. He said
Mulroney was only paid $300,000 of a $500,000 business deal because
the former prime minister did not hold up his end of the bargain.
Schreiber is also suing Mulroney to recoup the $300,000 in cash
payments. Before last week's hearing, it was reported the money was
allegedly paid for Mulroney to help establish a pasta business and a
light-armoured vehicle factory for Schreiber's client Thyssen, and
that the services weren't provided. But Schreiber told the committee
the cash arrangement had nothing to do with a pasta business.
Schreiber also refused to answer some questions, saying he didn't have
enough time to go through his files before his appearance.
Schreiber alleged in an affidavit that the deal was struck two days
before Mulroney left office as prime minister in 1993.
Schreiber also alleged in the affidavit that a Mulroney adviser asked
Schreiber to transfer money in connection with Air Canada's 1988
purchase of Airbus planes to a Mulroney lawyer based in Switzerland.
None of the allegations against Mulroney has been proven in court.
With files from the Canadian Press
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/12/04/schreiber-arrival.html
Last Updated: Tuesday, December 4, 2007 | 12:06 PM ET
CBC News
Karlheinz Schreiber told a federal committee Tuesday he didn't discuss
money with former prime minister Brian Mulroney during a private 1993
meeting when he was still in office, but that the two made an oral
agreement to work together when Mulroney returned to private life.
"We made an agreement in principle to work together. We did not speak
about money," said Schreiber, who testified before the House of
Commons ethics committee Tuesday, his second appearance.
Schreiber said $300,000 in cash he paid Mulroney wasn't a kickback
from Air Canada's $1.8-billion purchase of jets from Airbus, but
involved a light- armoured vehicle plant known as the Bear Head
project.
"I received great laughs when this story came up that Brian Mulroney
was involved with Airbus," he said. "Somebody told me that Air Canada
is Liberal property. If Mulroney had shown up five miles away from Air
Canada, they would have done the opposite from everything he wanted."
Schreiber said Mulroney believed his successor, Kim Campbell, would be
re-elected with a majority government, putting him in a "comfy
position" to work with Schreiber when he returned to his legal
practice in Montreal.
"And then I said, 'I will let you know what is available. I have funds
available for the Bear Head project which is still there and I will
let you know.' So it was a principle agreement that we work together,
but at that day, we did not speak about money," said Schreiber.
Schreiber later checked the Swiss bank account and found $500,000 left
over. Last week, Schreiber said Mulroney received only $300,000 of
that money because he didn't fulfil his end of the agreeement.
One of the key questions of the whole affair that has never been
answered is what services Mulroney provided in exchange for the
money.
Meeting date dispute
Schreiber insisted the meeting took place at the Harrington Lake prime
ministerial residence on June 23, 1993, while Mulroney was still in
office. Schreiber said Mulroney adviser Fred Doucet arranged the
meeting because the former prime minister was in financial trouble.
However, Conservative MP David Tilson said that in earlier court
documents and a book on the Airbus affair, Schreiber said any deals
made with Mulroney occurred after Mulroney left office.
Opposition MPs questioned whether it was ethical for Mulroney to
accept a cash payment from Schreiber -- who lobbied the government on
behalf of German business interests -- while he was still an MP. That
first $100,000 payment was made in August 1993 at a Montreal hotel.
Schreiber later heatedly called Mulroney a "liar" for failing to move
ahead with the armoured tank project
Conservative MPs said Schreiber's testimony shows nothing more than a
failed business relationship between two private individuals.
"If that is the case, it is clearly not an issue for this committee,"
said MP Russ Hiebert.
Charest donation alleged
Schreiber, who is facing extradition to Germany to face fraud and
other charges, handed over a thick binder that he said contains all
his correspondence with Mulroney.
"This is my entire correspondence with Mr. Mulroney," Schreiber said.
"I wanted this to come out, and this is why someone wanted to kidnap
me and kick me out.
"Don't tell me I'm not co-operative with the Canadian government."
Schreiber pulled another prominent politician into the mix during his
testimony, alleging he donated $30,000 in cash to Jean Charest's bid
for the Tory leadership in 1993. He said he liked the idea of a fresh,
new face leading the party.
Charest, now Quebec's premier, said he was surprised to learn of the
donation, didn't have any dealings with Schreiber and isn't pleased to
be dragged into the events of the day.
Holds up Harper binder
Schreiber also held up a second binder he said was his correspondence
with Prime Minister Stephen Harper, and a thick, bound document,
saying it contained his responses to all of the questions posed by MPs
during his appearance at the committee last week.
He said he wrote to the Prime Minister's Office at least twice
recommending he call an inquiry into the Airbus affair, saying in one
letter that Harper's "political enemies" were undermining his efforts
to clean up government. Schreiber said he received a letter from the
PMO in early 2007 saying the office had forwarded the documents to the
Justice Department.
Opposition politicans have been trying to link the current
Conservative government to Schreiber. Last month, Harper called a full
public inquiry into the Airbus allegations.
Schreiber's highly anticipated appearance came a day after he told CBC
News his testimony will be "like Christmas" for its members.
"I'm not sure if this is a Christmas gift or a burden. For sure, it
will help you for the right and special questions," he said during his
opening statement. "This is a basis. If you are not satisfied, just
let me know and I'm going to dig for it and hopefully I can find it."
Committee members adjourned the meeting to review the binders of
documents and called on Schreiber to return for a third appearance, on
Thursday.
Schreiber was allowed to return to his Ottawa home Tuesday after the
Ontario Court of Appeal agreed to release him on bail of $1.3 million.
Committee probes deal
The ethics committee is also reviewing Mulroney's $2.1-million
settlement from the federal government in 1997 over his libel suit
regarding the so-called Airbus affair -- in which millions of dollars
in secret commissions were allegedly paid in the sale of jets to Air
Canada.
Last week, during his first appearance before the committee, Schreiber
offered some details about his relationship with Mulroney. He said
Mulroney was only paid $300,000 of a $500,000 business deal because
the former prime minister did not hold up his end of the bargain.
Schreiber is also suing Mulroney to recoup the $300,000 in cash
payments. Before last week's hearing, it was reported the money was
allegedly paid for Mulroney to help establish a pasta business and a
light-armoured vehicle factory for Schreiber's client Thyssen, and
that the services weren't provided. But Schreiber told the committee
the cash arrangement had nothing to do with a pasta business.
Schreiber also refused to answer some questions, saying he didn't have
enough time to go through his files before his appearance.
Schreiber alleged in an affidavit that the deal was struck two days
before Mulroney left office as prime minister in 1993.
Schreiber also alleged in the affidavit that a Mulroney adviser asked
Schreiber to transfer money in connection with Air Canada's 1988
purchase of Airbus planes to a Mulroney lawyer based in Switzerland.
None of the allegations against Mulroney has been proven in court.
With files from the Canadian Press
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/12/04/schreiber-arrival.html